tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post8366689997605020989..comments2024-02-19T07:51:46.118-05:00Comments on Throw Grammar from the Train: They f--- you up, those stylebook rulesJanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03173219179480606941noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-63772169873623929132012-04-18T16:06:49.032-04:002012-04-18T16:06:49.032-04:00Gregory,
This really should be in the earlier thre...Gregory,<br />This really should be in the earlier thread, but what the hell.<br /> <br />No, I didn't mean "the dialect of the country gentle-folk Goldsmith depicted would have been shared by Goldsmith," or that Goldsmith would have used the objective "for papa and I" himself. I have no idea how deprecated it would have been in speech of his class at the time. What you'd suggested (I thought) was that it might have been used to show the character's lack of polish; I didn't think so, given the rest of the play. But maybe it is riddled with 18th-c language gaffes that I don't see; if so, I'd be happy to learn about them.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03173219179480606941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-40099827457795439512012-04-14T16:36:09.551-04:002012-04-14T16:36:09.551-04:00I don't mind the paraphrase too much, as it fl...I don't mind the paraphrase too much, as it flows smoothly and it's easy to read. But I agree that it makes it fairly obvious what the deal is.Bryan Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01607046468663026271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-17605101957340431992012-04-14T09:46:55.192-04:002012-04-14T09:46:55.192-04:00We editors have to remember that we work for "...We editors have to remember that we work for "family newspapers." Have you eavesdropped on a nine-year-old lately?Marc Leavittnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-61437769436763780582012-04-11T21:21:48.658-04:002012-04-11T21:21:48.658-04:00Jan wrote: BTW, did you see my belated response to...Jan wrote: <i>BTW, did you see my belated response to you on the previous post?</i><br /><br />Yes -- I didn't quite know what to make of it. Did you mean the dialect of the country gentle-folk Goldsmith depicted would have been shared by Goldsmith, and so when Goldsmith wrote that objective "I", we should conclude that he would himself have used that construction in his own speech? That could perfectly well be true, so far as I know, and I'm happy to accept your word for it (if that's what you meant).<br /><br />About "fuck" -- I intended no criticism, but just felt a little oppressed by the overall euphemistic tone of the discussion, and had an urge to get all 4 letters out there.Gregory Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293280236115306205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-33983710960327067052012-04-11T17:50:39.731-04:002012-04-11T17:50:39.731-04:00Lane: Yes, reading the Times stylebook on this is ...Lane: Yes, reading the Times stylebook on this is like getting a lecture from your straitlaced grandfather. You want to apologize for even thinking of using a naughty word. <br /><br />Gregory: Of course I mean "fuck"; my headline was a nod to the post's theme of taboo avoidance. Sorry you were not amused. (BTW, did you see my belated response to you on the previous post?)Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03173219179480606941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-86305799095425311392012-04-11T12:43:16.618-04:002012-04-11T12:43:16.618-04:00The Times seems to inconsistently relax ban this w...The Times seems to inconsistently relax ban this when news (urgent news, not book reviews) warrants. Hence "Niggerhead" in the pages, and a few more examples I've forgotten. I take it that every example involves a hushed editorial meeting, some serious hand-wringing and a fainting couch. <br /><br />Niggerhead here, including an e-mail from Philip Corbett, the Times editor responsible: <br /><br />http://rss.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2011/10/obscenity<br /><br />More here:<br /><br />http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2010/06/swearing<br /><br />http://www.economist.com/blogs/johnson/2010/07/newspaper_pruderyLanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07308878857835663236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-53180837124343053262012-04-10T22:16:53.725-04:002012-04-10T22:16:53.725-04:00Too funny. I like John Cowan's comment!
KToo funny. I like John Cowan's comment!<br />KKay L. Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09966266404058177742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8811866763970314328.post-70458611957898600722012-04-10T18:25:27.299-04:002012-04-10T18:25:27.299-04:00In case of trial or tribulation
Perform swift circ...In case of trial or tribulation<br />Perform swift circular ambulation<br />With loud and anguished ululation.<br /><br />No actual taboo word, but I thought you'd like it.John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.com